@Jacques - yeah basically they will produce more baby bulbs and in a year or two I can dig them up to separate and plant elsewhere... or if i leave them be they will naturalize and sort of spread and establish on their own. <br><br>Don't give up on your seeds yet. I have had seeds come up well after I have given up hope, and pigface are pretty hardy<br><br>Clay soil is tough - Can be good to plant Comfrey, they have very strong deep taproots and help to break up heavy soils and bring nutrients up to the top. The plants are not unattractive and they excellent compost activator and fertiliser. <br><br>